Discussion:
anybody seen that stumpy guy lately?
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Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
2017-09-02 19:03:14 UTC
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I scanned the recent posts and don't see any.

We need to know when he dies so we can post appropriately.

We need an obit written. Anyone?
I'll start the outline:
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he was an asshole
...[filler]....
he died an asshole
-------------------

i care...and where's that eris simpleton?
;-)
r***@gmail.com
2017-09-02 23:23:46 UTC
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On Sat, 02 Sep 2017 12:03:14 -0700, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D."
Post by Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
I scanned the recent posts and don't see any.
We need to know when he dies so we can post appropriately.
We need an obit written. Anyone?
-------------------
he was an asshole
...[filler]....
he died an asshole
-------------------
i care...and where's that eris simpleton?
;-)
oh, I don't think he was an asshole.

Just a guy who got crippled betting on the wrong side and trying to
find meaning in it.

I see some others like that around here as well.

That being said there will be many, many like him from the 16 (so far)
years war.

redvet
http://www.vvawai.org/
Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
2017-09-18 06:19:32 UTC
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Post by r***@gmail.com
On Sat, 02 Sep 2017 12:03:14 -0700, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D."
Post by Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
I scanned the recent posts and don't see any.
We need to know when he dies so we can post appropriately.
We need an obit written. Anyone?
-------------------
he was an asshole
...[filler]....
he died an asshole
-------------------
i care...and where's that eris simpleton?
;-)
oh, I don't think he was an asshole.
Just a guy who got crippled betting on the wrong side and trying to
find meaning in it.
I see some others like that around here as well.
That being said there will be many, many like him from the 16 (so far)
years war.
redvet
http://www.vvawai.org/
I watched 1st part of that new Ken Burns documentary on
the war and as usual he left out many important parts and
painted the U.S. as innocently stumbling into the war.
I almost threw my beer at my brand new 65" tv.
;-)
Jack G...
2017-09-18 14:03:48 UTC
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Post by Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
Post by r***@gmail.com
On Sat, 02 Sep 2017 12:03:14 -0700, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D."
Post by Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
I scanned the recent posts and don't see any.
We need to know when he dies so we can post appropriately.
We need an obit written. Anyone?
-------------------
he was an asshole
...[filler]....
he died an asshole
-------------------
i care...and where's that eris simpleton?
;-)
oh, I don't think he was an asshole.
Just a guy who got crippled betting on the wrong side and trying to
find meaning in it.
I see some others like that around here as well.
That being said there will be many, many like him from the 16 (so far)
years war.
redvet
http://www.vvawai.org/
I watched 1st part of that new Ken Burns documentary on
the war and as usual he left out many important parts and
painted the U.S. as innocently stumbling into the war.
I almost threw my beer at my brand new 65" tv.
;-)
Having limp wrists means to missed the tv.
r***@gmail.com
2017-09-19 02:52:52 UTC
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On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 23:19:32 -0700, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D."
Post by Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
Post by r***@gmail.com
On Sat, 02 Sep 2017 12:03:14 -0700, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D."
Post by Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
-------------------
i care...and where's that eris simpleton?
;-)
oh, I don't think he was an asshole.
Just a guy who got crippled betting on the wrong side and trying to
find meaning in it.
I see some others like that around here as well.
That being said there will be many, many like him from the 16 (so far)
years war.
redvet
http://www.vvawai.org/
I watched 1st part of that new Ken Burns documentary on
the war and as usual he left out many important parts and
painted the U.S. as innocently stumbling into the war.
I almost threw my beer at my brand new 65" tv.
;-)
It is the same tripe that the government floated in '85, remember the
bullshit welcome home parades with the weepy dysfunctional vets...?

This time the propaganda is more focused "honor the veteran not the
war". We honor the resistors to that war.

http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/sir-no-sir-2006

redvet
http://www.vvawai.org/
rfokc#13
2017-09-19 14:45:07 UTC
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On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 23:19:32 -0700, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D."
Post by Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
Post by r***@gmail.com
On Sat, 02 Sep 2017 12:03:14 -0700, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D."
Post by Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
-------------------
i care...and where's that eris simpleton?
;-)
oh, I don't think he was an asshole.
Just a guy who got crippled betting on the wrong side and trying to
find meaning in it.
I see some others like that around here as well.
That being said there will be many, many like him from the 16 (so far)
years war.
redvet
http://www.vvawai.org/
I watched 1st part of that new Ken Burns documentary on
the war and as usual he left out many important parts and
painted the U.S. as innocently stumbling into the war.
I almost threw my beer at my brand new 65" tv.
;-)
It is the same tripe that the government floated in '85, remember the
bullshit welcome home parades with the weepy dysfunctional vets...?
This time the propaganda is more focused "honor the veteran not the
war". We honor the resistors to that war.
sucks for you your efforts didn't help near as much as Linebacker II
if you'd done a better job 'resisting' I coulda stayed home but NOOOO...

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2017-09-20 06:07:20 UTC
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Linebacker II
In '72 ...It was hardly successful. Less than a year later it wasn't
'murican tanks rolling in to Saigon, was it.

In 1972 was also the year Col. Henl wrote in the Armed Forces Journal:

"THE MORALE, DISCIPLINE and battleworthiness of the U.S. Armed Forces
are, with a few salient exceptions, lower and worse than at anytime in
this century and possibly in the history of the United States.

By every conceivable indicator, our army that now remains in Vietnam
is in a state approaching collapse, with individual units avoiding or
having _refused_ combat, murdering their officers and non commissioned
officers, drug-ridden, and dispirited where not near mutinous.

Elsewhere than Vietnam, the situation is nearly as serious.

Intolerably clobbered and buffeted from without and within by social
turbulence, pandemic drug addiction, race war, sedition, civilian
scapegoatise, draftee recalcitrance and malevolence, barracks theft
and common crime, unsupported in their travail by the general
government, in Congress as well as the executive branch, distrusted,
disliked, and often reviled by the public, the uniformed services
today are places of agony for the loyal, silent professions who
doggedly hang on and try to keep the ship afloat.

The responses of the services to these unheard-of conditions, forces
and new public attitudes, are confused, resentful, occasional
pollyanna-ish, and in some cases even calculated to worsen the malaise
that is wracking. While no senior officer (especially one on active
duty) can openly voice any such assessment, the foregoing conclusions
find virtually unanimous support in numerous non-attributable
interviews with responsible senior and mid-level officer, as well as
career noncommissioned officers and petty officers in all services.

Historical precedents do not exist for some of the services' problems,
such as desertion, mutiny, unpopularity, seditious attacks, and racial
troubles. Others, such as drugs, pose difficulties that are wholly
NEW. Nowhere, however, in the history of the Armed Forces have
comparable past troubles presented themselves in such general
magnitude, acuteness, or concentrated focus as today.

By several orders of magnitude, the Army seems to be in worse trouble.
But the Navy has serious and unprecedented problems, while the Air
Force, on the surface at least still clear of the quicksands in which
the Army is sinking, is itself facing disquieting difficulties.

Only the Marines - who have made news this year by their hard line
against indiscipline and general permissiveness - seem with their
expected staunchness and tough tradition, to be weathering the storm.

Back To The Campus

To understand the military consequences of what is happening to the
U.S. Armed Forces, Vietnam is a good place to start. It is in Vietnam
that the rearguard of a 500,000 man army, in its day and in the
observation of the writer the best army the United States ever put
into the field, is numbly extricating itself from a nightmare war the
Armed Forces feel they had foisted on them by bright civilians who are
now back on campus writing books about the folly of it all.

"They have set up separate companies," writes an American soldier from
Cu Chi, quoted in the New York Times, "for men who refuse to go into
the field. Is no big thing to refuse to go. If a man is ordered to go
to such and such a place he no longer goes through the hassle of
refusing; he just packs his shirt and goes to visit some buddies at
another base camp. Operations have become incredibly ragtag. Many guys
don't even put on their uniforms any more... The American garrison on
the larger bases are virtually disarmed. The lifers have taken our
weapons from us and put them under lock and key...There have also been
quite a few frag incidents in the battalion."

Can all this really be typical or even truthful?

Unfortunately the answer is yes...."

https://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/Vietnam/heinl.html


redvet
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Hawaii LP
Vietnam Veterans Against the War/Anti-Imperialist
http://www.vvawai.org/
rfokc#13
2017-09-20 20:04:27 UTC
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Post by rfokc#13
Linebacker II
In '72 ...It was hardly successful. Less than a year later it wasn't
'murican tanks rolling in to Saigon, was it.
despite what you and the col would like us to think, the North
Vietnamese Army did roll into SVN and were sent packing by SVN military
with US air support. look up Easter Offensive April 30 1975 without
US backing, SVN fell and those tanks you refer to came into Saigon

as far as the discipline went we can thank buttwipes like you for the
schooling
Post by r***@gmail.com
"THE MORALE, DISCIPLINE and battleworthiness of the U.S. Armed Forces
are, with a few salient exceptions, lower and worse than at anytime in
this century and possibly in the history of the United States.
By every conceivable indicator, our army that now remains in Vietnam
is in a state approaching collapse, with individual units avoiding or
having _refused_ combat, murdering their officers and non commissioned
officers, drug-ridden, and dispirited where not near mutinous.
Elsewhere than Vietnam, the situation is nearly as serious.
Intolerably clobbered and buffeted from without and within by social
turbulence, pandemic drug addiction, race war, sedition, civilian
scapegoatise, draftee recalcitrance and malevolence, barracks theft
and common crime, unsupported in their travail by the general
government, in Congress as well as the executive branch, distrusted,
disliked, and often reviled by the public, the uniformed services
today are places of agony for the loyal, silent professions who
doggedly hang on and try to keep the ship afloat.
The responses of the services to these unheard-of conditions, forces
and new public attitudes, are confused, resentful, occasional
pollyanna-ish, and in some cases even calculated to worsen the malaise
that is wracking. While no senior officer (especially one on active
duty) can openly voice any such assessment, the foregoing conclusions
find virtually unanimous support in numerous non-attributable
interviews with responsible senior and mid-level officer, as well as
career noncommissioned officers and petty officers in all services.
Historical precedents do not exist for some of the services' problems,
such as desertion, mutiny, unpopularity, seditious attacks, and racial
troubles. Others, such as drugs, pose difficulties that are wholly
NEW. Nowhere, however, in the history of the Armed Forces have
comparable past troubles presented themselves in such general
magnitude, acuteness, or concentrated focus as today.
By several orders of magnitude, the Army seems to be in worse trouble.
But the Navy has serious and unprecedented problems, while the Air
Force, on the surface at least still clear of the quicksands in which
the Army is sinking, is itself facing disquieting difficulties.
Only the Marines - who have made news this year by their hard line
against indiscipline and general permissiveness - seem with their
expected staunchness and tough tradition, to be weathering the storm.
Back To The Campus
To understand the military consequences of what is happening to the
U.S. Armed Forces, Vietnam is a good place to start. It is in Vietnam
that the rearguard of a 500,000 man army, in its day and in the
observation of the writer the best army the United States ever put
into the field, is numbly extricating itself from a nightmare war the
Armed Forces feel they had foisted on them by bright civilians who are
now back on campus writing books about the folly of it all.
"They have set up separate companies," writes an American soldier from
Cu Chi, quoted in the New York Times, "for men who refuse to go into
the field. Is no big thing to refuse to go. If a man is ordered to go
to such and such a place he no longer goes through the hassle of
refusing; he just packs his shirt and goes to visit some buddies at
another base camp. Operations have become incredibly ragtag. Many guys
don't even put on their uniforms any more... The American garrison on
the larger bases are virtually disarmed. The lifers have taken our
weapons from us and put them under lock and key...There have also been
quite a few frag incidents in the battalion."
Can all this really be typical or even truthful?
Unfortunately the answer is yes...."
https://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/Vietnam/heinl.html
redvet
Facilitator
Hawaii LP
Vietnam Veterans Against the War/Anti-Imperialist
http://www.vvawai.org/
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Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
2017-09-21 06:49:14 UTC
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Linebacker II
In '72 ...It was hardly successful. Less than a year later it wasn't
'murican tanks rolling in to Saigon, was it.
look up Easter Offensive
U.S. military told everyone that they had trained the "South" Vietnam
army, and U.S. military was no longer needed, but Easter Offensive proved
yet another failure of U.S. military which had to bail out
the "South" Vietnam army.

The U.S. military grossly failed its mission...and idiots claim shame as great victory.
Post by rfokc#13
Post by r***@gmail.com
Can all this really be typical or even truthful?
Unfortunately the answer is yes...."
https://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/Vietnam/heinl.html
redvet
Facilitator
Hawaii LP
Vietnam Veterans Against the War/Anti-Imperialist
http://www.vvawai.org/
r***@gmail.com
2017-09-21 07:06:42 UTC
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Post by rfokc#13
Linebacker II
In '72 ...It was hardly successful. Less than a year later it wasn't
'murican tanks rolling in to Saigon, was it.
despite what you and the col would like us to think, the North
Vietnamese Army did roll into SVN and were sent packing by SVN military
with US air support. look up Easter Offensive April 30 1975 without
US backing, SVN fell and those tanks you refer to came into Saigon
as far as the discipline went we can thank buttwipes like you for the
schooling
You're welcome...

Line Backer II was a failure, just like Operation Lam Son 719 - you
know the one that had the Southern zone quislings clinging to 'murican
helo skids... Apparently the years of training didn't catch.

- redvet
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Post by r***@gmail.com
"THE MORALE, DISCIPLINE and battleworthiness of the U.S. Armed Forces
are, with a few salient exceptions, lower and worse than at anytime in
this century and possibly in the history of the United States.
By every conceivable indicator, our army that now remains in Vietnam
is in a state approaching collapse, with individual units avoiding or
having _refused_ combat, murdering their officers and non commissioned
officers, drug-ridden, and dispirited where not near mutinous.
Elsewhere than Vietnam, the situation is nearly as serious.
Intolerably clobbered and buffeted from without and within by social
turbulence, pandemic drug addiction, race war, sedition, civilian
scapegoatise, draftee recalcitrance and malevolence, barracks theft
and common crime, unsupported in their travail by the general
government, in Congress as well as the executive branch, distrusted,
disliked, and often reviled by the public, the uniformed services
today are places of agony for the loyal, silent professions who
doggedly hang on and try to keep the ship afloat.
The responses of the services to these unheard-of conditions, forces
and new public attitudes, are confused, resentful, occasional
pollyanna-ish, and in some cases even calculated to worsen the malaise
that is wracking. While no senior officer (especially one on active
duty) can openly voice any such assessment, the foregoing conclusions
find virtually unanimous support in numerous non-attributable
interviews with responsible senior and mid-level officer, as well as
career noncommissioned officers and petty officers in all services.
Historical precedents do not exist for some of the services' problems,
such as desertion, mutiny, unpopularity, seditious attacks, and racial
troubles. Others, such as drugs, pose difficulties that are wholly
NEW. Nowhere, however, in the history of the Armed Forces have
comparable past troubles presented themselves in such general
magnitude, acuteness, or concentrated focus as today.
By several orders of magnitude, the Army seems to be in worse trouble.
But the Navy has serious and unprecedented problems, while the Air
Force, on the surface at least still clear of the quicksands in which
the Army is sinking, is itself facing disquieting difficulties.
Only the Marines - who have made news this year by their hard line
against indiscipline and general permissiveness - seem with their
expected staunchness and tough tradition, to be weathering the storm.
Back To The Campus
To understand the military consequences of what is happening to the
U.S. Armed Forces, Vietnam is a good place to start. It is in Vietnam
that the rearguard of a 500,000 man army, in its day and in the
observation of the writer the best army the United States ever put
into the field, is numbly extricating itself from a nightmare war the
Armed Forces feel they had foisted on them by bright civilians who are
now back on campus writing books about the folly of it all.
"They have set up separate companies," writes an American soldier from
Cu Chi, quoted in the New York Times, "for men who refuse to go into
the field. Is no big thing to refuse to go. If a man is ordered to go
to such and such a place he no longer goes through the hassle of
refusing; he just packs his shirt and goes to visit some buddies at
another base camp. Operations have become incredibly ragtag. Many guys
don't even put on their uniforms any more... The American garrison on
the larger bases are virtually disarmed. The lifers have taken our
weapons from us and put them under lock and key...There have also been
quite a few frag incidents in the battalion."
Can all this really be typical or even truthful?
Unfortunately the answer is yes...."
https://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/Vietnam/heinl.html
redvet
Facilitator
Hawaii LP
Vietnam Veterans Against the War/Anti-Imperialist
http://www.vvawai.org/
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rfokc#13
2017-09-21 13:33:52 UTC
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Linebacker II
In '72 ...It was hardly successful. Less than a year later it wasn't
'murican tanks rolling in to Saigon, was it.
despite what you and the col would like us to think, the North
Vietnamese Army did roll into SVN and were sent packing by SVN military
with US air support. look up Easter Offensive April 30 1975 without
US backing, SVN fell and those tanks you refer to came into Saigon
as far as the discipline went we can thank buttwipes like you for the
schooling
You're welcome...
Line Backer II was a failure, just like Operation Lam Son 719 - you
know the one that had the Southern zone quislings clinging to 'murican
helo skids... Apparently the years of training didn't catch.
- redvet
don't confuse Linebacker II with Rolling Thunder...after Easter 72 qnd
Linebacker I and finally Linebacker II (aka Christmas day bombing) the
north was damaged to the point it took China and USSR 2 yrs to resupply.
the 'treaty' allowed northern troops to remain in the south...you
guys musta liked that one

fwiw Lam Son was a rat fuck 'indeed'

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rfokc#13
2017-09-21 13:52:33 UTC
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Linebacker II
In '72 ...It was hardly successful. Less than a year later it wasn't
'murican tanks rolling in to Saigon, was it.
despite what you and the col would like us to think, the North
Vietnamese Army did roll into SVN and were sent packing by SVN military
with US air support. look up Easter Offensive April 30 1975 without
US backing, SVN fell and those tanks you refer to came into Saigon
as far as the discipline went we can thank buttwipes like you for the
schooling
You're welcome...
Line Backer II was a failure, just like Operation Lam Son 719 - you
know the one that had the Southern zone quislings clinging to 'murican
helo skids... Apparently the years of training didn't catch.
- redvet
gee you prolly believe the Tailwind story

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