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The health care system we know as the Patient Protection and
The PPACA provides that a person cannot be denied coverage due to a
pre-existing medical condition; further, the PPACA mandates that all
people must be covered by an acceptable plan.
People have complained that it is too expensive; however, with a
little thought, it's easy to see why there is a high initial cost.
Why was the prior system unacceptable?
Prior to PPACA, people would buy coverage on the market; the issue was
that, if a person had a pre-existing condition, he or she could not
buy coverage. These people were essentially uninsured and ended up in
the emergency rooms where the facilities were obligated to provide
care at great cost.
Health insurance remains solvent by insuring healthy people. When the
PPACA became law, there was a large backlog of people with expensive
conditions who suddenly entered the system driving costs up. The
costs will come down as new people enter the market to offset the
We have only had the PPACA for a couple of years; any plan written by
republicans will have the same endemic issues. It is not the time to
scrap a perfectly good system simply because it has a high front-load.
After a few years, the costs *will* drop.
That's right, there isn't one. Nothing! It took the democrats two
full years, led by a far better political leader than Trump, to draft
the PPACA... Trump has no plan and no clue how to write one.
When the republicans actually get a working plan on paper and get it
passed, *then* we will discuss repealing the PPACA; until that
happens, it's out of the question.
BTW: recent polls show that the PPACA enjoys greater support than
How many years/months did it take the democrats to get this health
plan working? So you bad mouth the republicans for not walking
on water. Pink school teachers have become brain dead.
what he's saying is, Jack, that with Republican obstruction the ACA took
several years to form what we see today. you erase that and add the
Democrats push-back and voila a coupla years down the road you got
something with a different name that is still not close to perfect. what
say the Dems admit their plan has some flaws and then both parties work
TOGETHER and NOT against each other in order to make ACA better.
opponents of ACA purposefully use the title 'Obamacare' to frighten the
lemmings simply because it has "HIS" name on it. read my
lips...Affordable Care Act...no where in that title does it mention
Barack Obama. and don't call me 'pinkie' I worked in NYC during the
80s and heard Trumps name over and over and it wasn't all good. he did
hire someone to fix the skating rink in Central Park...look up Wollman
I was wondering if all the right wing nutso's who hate obamacare so much
ever had to sit in the waiting room of any American hospital looking at
all the people who come thru the doors looking for care. I once read
that there were 10 million ER visits in just the year before obamacare
from people who had no other means of obtaining health care and that
about 90% of those people had no means to pay for the visit or any of
the subsequent follow ups necessary for their recovery. After a little
research I found out that each visit to an ER cost about $750, exclusive
of the cost of follow up care. So if a right wing nutso just did the
math, and even they could do the math since it is basic math and from my
experience the intellectual ability of a vast majority of the right wing
nutso's is very basic, if it's even that, they would come to the
conclusion that the cost of not having obamacare is 7 BILLION, 500
MILLION DOLLARS OF OUR FEDERAL TAX DOLLARS EXCLUSIVE OF ANY AND ALL THE
FOLLOW UP DOLLARS NEEDED!!!!
So welcome to "AMERICA, THE WAY IT USED TO BE", all you right wing
Welcome, because now you are going to get exactly what you all deserve.
You're going to get the bill for all those ER visits that obamacare used
to defer because the cost of ER care for people who cant pay for it,
because every cent of it, has to be paid, by law, from federal tax
dollars at the billed price!!! Ha, ha, ha, ha. It's really funny how
stupid the American Right really is. It is almost hilarious. It really
we'd do well to get over party names and look closely at the topic of
conversation. if you could get people of either party woke up to the
fact that if ten people take a family member or friend to the ER with
raging pneumonia and intermingle with 10 totally unrelated individuals
with the shits...you wind up 40 motherfuckers with the drizzling shits.
all because the hardheaded ones (who by the way get free health care)
wanted to argue and reinvent the wheel just because HE did it on HIS
watch. what a crock. if stoopit was a sign of genius we'd have a
true shining light in Washington
Everything you posted is correct IF we lived in a perfect world.
However, we live in a world that has been deliberately pushed into
ideological "castes" for reason of personal power and monetary gain.
The word "castes" as descriptive of colonial India is a good analogy of
what has happened here. Back in the 1970's it became apparent that a
lot of the "advantages" of being a member the right wing in our society
was being eroded by progressive ideas and legislation. The main benefit
of this legislation were gains provided to the working class and
minorities at the expense of white male conservatives. They had to do
something to protect their privilege in our Society so they used their
access to money that was not available to anyone else to push their
ideology for their continued control of our Society.
Don't believe me? Start reading about it. There are plenty of books
written by non-political historians explaining the process and how the
right ascended and stopped all and every group with the use of money and
access to the policy makers to achieve what they wanted to protect their
Take obamacare. All other considerations aside, the main reason the
right hates obamacare is because it gives workers and minorities a means
to cut the dependence between access to health care and a job. It gives
workers and minorities freedom to work where they want and thus
employers have to stop their dictatorial control over the personal lives
of their employees as a means to keep their employees "in line". Just
think about it - with obamacare a worker can tell an employer that he or
she will not work under conditions that cause them loss of their
personal lives because now they have health care that is affordable and
portable. The employee really can, for the first time in US History,
control their working environment by telling the employer if he or she
doesn't meet their demands for certain working conditions they can now
go somewhere else with real impunity. This creates real problems for
employers. They have to adapt or they lose. And they don't want to
adopt so they lose. The simplest way to regain control is to get rid of
obamacare so again employees are at the mercy of the employer.